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Jesus, and Religion

Posted: May 14th, 2016, 10:20 pm
by Zidane
This is good child of Christ.He very good, and better then preacher in that preacher video I sent, But I wanna see y'all opinions of it.

Re: Jesus, and Relgion

Posted: May 14th, 2016, 10:37 pm
by Michael Fedora
He's a pretty cool guy. +1 from me :)

It's important to distinguish that he's talking about those who prize tradition OVER Jesus. Modern day pharisees. If you can take it in perspective, it's a fantastic message.

We should not ditch all tradition, as some of it is rather important (that is, the foundations of "standard" faith) -- Just relying on your own personal convictions can be... scary to others, to say the least.

But we should always Prize JESUS over Tradition, His Word over our laws or understanding -- that is our feeble attempts to figure out His will. This is why a personal relationship with Him is so important... that we don't go haywire - on either side of the coin.

Re: Jesus, and Relgion

Posted: May 15th, 2016, 2:59 am
by NeoJabez
This video is basically talking about big sweeping global religious institution, not so much your local church or fellowship.

He even says he loves the church.

The problem he's trying to address is like the global secular view of Christianity, it's not the same view people with a real and personal relationship with Christ aspire to be a part of in reality. Global Christianity is a huge group of people, some of them are believers, some of them are people who claim to be believers, and there are more than a fair share of people who say they believe, but really use Christ either as a bludgeon to hurt others, or as a crutch to justify their continuing sin.

In those instances, the religion isn't helping the individual at all. And Christ came for the individuals, all of them. All of us. One of my favorite parts of the above piece is where he says that the Church is "not a museum for the good people, it's a hospital for the broken"...

Zidane, I find it interesting that you are seeking Christ so obviously, but still sort of 'fear' Christianity. Could you explain?

Re: Jesus, and Religion

Posted: May 15th, 2016, 9:13 am
by Gidget
I'm always divided when I watch this video. He makes some great points. Works based religion doesn't save. But the Bible never actually condemnes religion. It condemns FALSE religion but James clearly states there is a form of religion God accepts. (James 1:26-27). Even Jesus he didn't come to destroy the law (religion) but came to fulfill their purpose (Mathew 5:17)

Videos like this are made to get people's attention and they do. What he says is right. It depends on God, not man. And the Church is a group of broken sinful people, but we are also Christ's Bride. Our existence was established by Christ for his Glory to spread His name across the globe.Christ established the church. So while we should condemn false religion I would be careful with videos like this. They aren't always fully grounded in scripture and therefore do not always represent truth.

Re: Jesus, and Religion

Posted: May 15th, 2016, 11:29 am
by Reconize
I am curious as to how many of you are for moral relativism or moral absolutism.
I'd be very interested to hear each viewpoint. I did a college paper on the difference a few years back.

That's what I think of when I watch the video.


Re: Jesus, and Religion

Posted: May 15th, 2016, 11:49 am
by Gidget
Reconize wrote:I am curious as to how many of you are for moral relativism or moral absolutism.

For the sake of clarity, will you define those terms for everyone?

Re: Jesus, and Religion

Posted: May 15th, 2016, 11:50 am
by Ongurth
Graded absolutism. :ninja:

Re: Jesus, and Religion

Posted: May 15th, 2016, 3:07 pm
by Michael Fedora
Hey Rec, if this has nothing really to do with the topic at hand, then I'd recommend making a different thread :P

Otherwise I'm with Gidget on this :3

Re: Jesus, and Religion

Posted: May 16th, 2016, 5:02 am
by Reconize
Moral relativism is when you believe that morals are subject to your culture. This carries the idea that what you regard as a right and wrong conduct may be a right for you, but not for someone else. To put it another way, relativism insists that what is true for the individual replaces the search for absolute truth. That there can be conflicting moral beliefs in the case of two or more individuals, or in different cultures, or in different historical times. In lay terms, what is a moral code for Americans may not be a moral code for South-West Asians.

Moral absolutism is the opposite. It is concerned with right and wrong conduct, period. The absolute is what determines whether the conduct is right or wrong. Therefore, some things are always right and some things are always wrong, no matter how one tries to rationalize them; different cultures, parts of the world, religious views, upbringing, etc. In lay terms, what is moral code for Americans, is a moral code for everyone, and what is a moral code for everyone is always moral code. This is because the is only one moral absolute.

Think about it a bit.

Re: Jesus, and Religion

Posted: May 16th, 2016, 5:13 am
by Gidget
So how does that relate to this video? He doesn't really speak to morals.