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California Homeless Problem

Post by Crosser » January 17th, 2018, 9:51 am

I found this video both tragic and eye opening. With California generally being known as a liberal state, what do you think they should do to try to resolve this issue? Personally, I think it's more of the churches responsibility (not the governments job) to reach out to the poor and assist them in getting back on their feet or supporting non-profit organizations that do such work. But what are your thoughts?

Just a fair warning: For those with sensitive ears, the person biking rides past a couple homeless people who use a curse word.

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Re: California Homeless Problem

Post by Globalkoas » January 17th, 2018, 11:45 am

Crosser these types of towns are all over the USA. This is a large one, but they do exist across the nation.
Homelessness is a HUGE problem in the United States period. A Church only has "x" amount of money to work with. Honestly imo it's our governments problem. This will give you an idea of "YOUR" tax dollars at work!! This is what should shock you!! imo

***I'm using 2016 stats not to pick on Obama, but they are available. When you look thru past admins its a greater margin***
2016 budget for fighting homelessness: https://www.usich.gov/resources/uploads ... stance.pdf

As you can see the government set aside $5.5B to fight this in 2016..

Foreign add in 2016:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... reign-aid/
$42.4B


When you look at the charts the money is spread all over, but if you start looking at the the countries on the charts and look up those countries.. MANY of them are sworn enemies of USA or willingly harbor terrorists that try and do hurt Americans.

I realize we have to spend money to help shore up our interests around the world, but our government has forgotten these people along ago. Sad truth is if you don't count in a "voting" capacity you won't get much help if any.

Now to the other side of homelessness. Some of these people refuse to live by rules. They proclaim themselves "sovereign" and want nothing to do with society with rules other than there own. While others have a laundry list of things going on. Psych problems, off medication, lost a job, running from something,etc the list goes on.

Personally for me I had an uncle that was homeless. His choice. He drank to stop the pain of what he had done/seen in the korean war. He had help from Church/V.A./Family/etc.. He would straighten up for a few weeks or maybe a few months. In the end, he would end up on the street. Now he had about 3500 a month coming in. He was far from broke. When he died he had almost 90,000 in his account. Ultimately he couldn't get past his demons.. He's not the only one like this out there.

No matter how much you want the Church to help, their is NO way they can have the money needed to help on a grand scale. Even throwing money/prayer/assistance/etc won't help at times.

With the government you need to pressure your local leaders/senators/reps/etc to stop tax dollars on all the crap they do and focus more at home. But sadly this has been going on for decades and I would guess it will go on forever!!
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Re: California Homeless Problem

Post by Crosser » January 17th, 2018, 12:18 pm

Yup, I realize it's a complicated problem. And I realize that some people choose this lifestyle and others have mental illness and addictions that basically result in homelessness. I agree that the church doesn't have enough money, but to be frank, I don't think money, in itself, is what will fix this growing problem.

I do think the church needs to be more involved. And I think non-profit organizations have the potential to have a large impact to help address the specific issues that result in homelessness. And I agree with many of the other good points you've made.

I brought up California because this video was trending on Reddit today and it was filmed in a state that is largely liberal. And with high taxes and high government being so heavy, I'm using it as an example as to why I think the government isn't the solution. And while the problem is complicated and not being able to have a general solution, I think that churches and non-profit organizations have the opportunity to narrow in on specific homeless sub-groups to help with specific illnesses and situational problems.

Again, this isn't is easy problem. Not saying we should rid the government altogether in regards to the homelessness problem. But clearly this isn't working in a state that has a big government.
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Re: California Homeless Problem

Post by Zhies » November 2nd, 2018, 7:20 pm

We also deal with a major homelessness epidemic where I live at in Hawaii. It really grieves my heart to see how bad it's gotten in California. I drive by dozens of homeless people every day, whether I'm headed to church or work. Hawaii is a "great place to live" so many states will actually give their homeless residents a free plane ticket to Hawaii to deal with their homeless problem. So our problem here is magnified, because of that. Tent cities are all over Hawaii, and it isn't uncommon for you to drive in downtown Honolulu and see people camped up on the side of the street. In the early 2000's Hawaii was also the #1 location in the world with the worst Meth epidemic. I'm not sure where we rate now, but Meth is a horrible drug that has plagued our people - with the greatest damage done to those that are homeless.

I'll just point out that locations that have these issues usually have large governments - sometimes with a lot of corruption. So government isn't the solution. A lot of businesses and residents have left California and Hawaii over the years, because the real-estate and job markets are out of control. Other locations with small government controls don't deal with these issues as much, because people are a commodity that business thrive on, and when businesses have to deal with too many regulations - they take their business elsewhere. The main problem with California is their government. San Bernardino is a perfect example of government corruption and mishandling of funds, which is why they went bankrupt.

Sadly, most people I've given money to in the past spent it on drugs. So I've decided to donate my money where it matters the most. There's a couple interesting documentaries on homelessness and the mishandling of funds that you'll find on the Internet. It is very sad to find out "aid entities" that spend large amounts of the donation funds on "administrative overhead". There was even that couple recently that ended up setting up a fund for a homeless man and ended up taking the funds and spending it elsewhere - to include a gambling spree at a casino.

If the U.S. government didn't have a dozen military bases on Hawaii, it would be a third-world country. This state thrives entirely on the tourist industry with little-to-no business besides that. If the military wasn't here, it would be a third-world country like all of the other islands in the Pacific Ocean. Infrastructure is barely supported here. The roads are terrible. Elected officials have been accused many times of embezzling. Prostitution is done in the broad day just a few blocks from the state capital building. We have so many challenges working with people, because people here regularly are expecting hand outs. People are so depressed they don't understand how to help themselves. I've been there. Unemployed. No money or job, and looking to live in my car or on the streets. The good news is that God helped me, because I was willing to take a job for low pay. Documentaries on the web will point out that many of these people are so low and depressed that they don't even have the will to work.

That is indeed a horrible situation. We are living in tough times, but in reality we still have it so much better than places in the rest of the world. If you read about "the untouchables" in India, there are people in the world that are the lowest of the low based on their family background - and no matter what they do in their country they can never achieve financial stability. At least we live in a country that hard word and dedication pays off. We need to remember that the government is terrible at efficiently using funds to tackle these problems. The church and other private social programs are more efficient - given there are enough controls to prevent and punish mishandling of donation funds.
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